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Eden Project's Tim Smit slams National Trust and RHS gardeners' low wages

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  • 02-02-2010 9:05 AM

    Eden Project's Tim Smit slams National Trust and RHS gardeners' low wages

    Eden Project founder Tim Smit has criticised the National Trust and RHS for paying its gardeners too little.

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  • 02-02-2010 9:05 AM
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    Well said Tim. I have worked in may aspects of horticulture for over 24 years. Unfortunately horticulture is a badly paid industry no matter which aspect you work in.

  • 02-02-2010 10:58 AM
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    The RHS will always rely on the fact that people wnat to work for them and have the name on the CV, but there is no need to tkae advanatge of this fact and pay theie junior \(presumably pre-trained) gardeners peanuts. If the RHS wants to raise the profile of the gardening profession then it needs to put its money where its mouth is and pay their own gardeners a wage commensurate with that profession. If the junior gardnerers are actually apprenatices, ie. leanring thier skills at an RHS garden, then the RHS should call then so. Bella D'Arcy

  • 02-02-2010 4:32 PM
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    Re: Eden Project's Tim Smit slams National Trust and RHS gardeners' low wages

    RHS chief curator Jim Gardiner writes:



    "The RHS runs a highly regarded training programme across all four RHS gardens leading to the prestigious Wisley Diploma in Practical Horticulture, as well as offering one-year specialist horticultural option placements at Wisley and one-year horticultural placements at Rosemoor, Hyde Hall and Harlow Carr.


    "The trainees, who are paid a salary of £12,800 and live in first-rate accommodation with a study centre included, undergo an unique all-round training. Not only do they receive practical horticultural experience in our gardens, they also have unrivalled opportunities to work with our science team including plant pathologists, botanists and entomologists, as well as researching references through staff at the Lindley Library. The RHS provides a structured career path for RHS trainees from horticulturist to curator, which underlines the importance the RHS puts on personal career development. RHS bursaries have helped many budding gardeners across the world. We are proud that our School of Horticulture, founded in 1907, has produced hundreds of horticulturists across the industry spectrum, who, because of their excellent training are much in demand by employers. Notable names include Dan Pearson, Alys Fowler and Mike Nelhams.
     


    "We work with several key partners on the Green Skills Initiative incorporating the GROW website which helps people looking to pursue a horticultural career."  

  • 02-02-2010 11:34 PM
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    RE: Eden Project's Tim Smit slams National Trust and RHS gardeners' low wages

    As a horticulture student I have pretty much resigned myself to earning little above minimum wage in the years after I graduate, unless I go into an office-based job or management \(which I don't want to do, I want to stay hands-on). Jim Gardiner's comment is all well and good, but it doesn't address Smit's point about salaries being obscenely low. Kew is advertising for 'Display Support Horticulturalists' at the moment, at a salary of £14,793+. How is that a living wage, especially in the London area? And yet there is much talk of a recruitment crisis of young people in horticulture. Doesn't take much effort to work out where the problem might lie, does it?

  • 02-03-2010 6:08 PM
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    I think that Tim Smit should change his own ways before criticising others policies. I agree that the National Trust and the RHS wages are ridiculous, however the Eden project were recently advertising for the post of gardener, for which they wanted the applicant to hold a degree and for which they were offering a salary of £15,000. There is no way that a single graduate could support themselves on a salary of £15,000 and pay off a student loan. They are dissuading young people from a job in horticulture.

    I have an HND and have been working as a gardener for the same company for 6 years. I am frequently told that im over qualified for a job as a gardener but don't have enough experience for a higher position. I live on my own and barely survive on my wage, which is more that the Eden Project pays. I have yet to pay off my student loan.

  • 02-04-2010 10:43 PM
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    Having worked in both the catering and gardening industries ( both poorly paid ) it is easy to see that the problem of low pay is due to the public perception of our worth.

    Joe Public can sling a tin of beans in the microwave and do "cooking" and Josephine Public can shove some pansies in a pot and call it "gardening". There are a lot more Joes and Josephines that are confident in their "Cooking" and "Gardening" skills, than fixing gas boilers and doing cardiac bypass surgery. It follows that if Joe and Josephine can do it then why should they pay any "experts" very much to have the job done for them, after all " It can't be that hard" they say.

  • 02-05-2010 12:12 AM
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    RE: Eden Project's Tim Smit slams National Trust and RHS gardeners' low wages

    I have seen al the positions advertised lately and it is a shame that so many of us are being "exploited" for our love of plants and gardening. It is not just The Eden Project and the RHS who are guilty of paying meagre wages. Capel Manor is advertising a post for a gardener too and the pay there is in the £15 000 a year bracket. If the so called industry leaders are paying us so little, why should the public pay any more? It is clear where the problem lies. The industry as a whole must look at itself and decide where its loyalties lie. The masters pocket? ...or those who actually do the work!

  • 02-05-2010 5:56 PM
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    RE: Eden Project's Tim Smit slams National Trust and RHS gardeners' low wages

    I couldn't agree more with Tim's comments. Having studied and worked in horticulture/landscaping since the age of 16 \(now 30) I had to move away from the 'hands on' work, which I love, in to landscape management. This was to get back on my feet after gaining my HND and degree in horticulture. Even now, as an experienced landscape manager, \(working for a civil engineering firm) the pay is much less that my 'civil engineer' colleages. \(who mend holes in roads). Horticulture just isn't respected in the same way as other professions. Still, I love the work and my advice is only study/work in horticulture if you do so. Theres my 2 cents...

  • 02-08-2010 9:58 PM
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     Historically schools have treated horticulture as a subject to occupy those with less academic ability, those who could not cope with Physics did Rural Science. Those with little career prospects were given over to gardening. Whilst the world has moved on wages have not, at least not in horticulture. The industry cannot expect to attract the cream if the wages are so poor.  If a nurseryman doubles his prices he could pay his staff more, but what would the customers say, import from a cheaper source. If councils once a good source of well educated gardeners and horticulturalists, were to increase local taxes to pay their gardeners more, there would be every other council worker claiming job parity. In our local economy a person can earn more working on a food preparation line than taking on some responsibility in a horticultural post. Boring perhaps, but it pays the bills. Tim Smit saviour of Cornwall and Cornish nurseries.

       

  • 02-09-2010 6:47 PM
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    RE: Eden Project's Tim Smit slams National Trust and RHS gardeners' low wages

    Tim Smit's comments ring true for horticulturists in the United States as well. I have worked in landscaping for the last 11 years and have been underpaid for most of those years. I agree with Melanie that there is this notion that anyone \(even kids!) can go out and mow a lawn or plant flowers. Yet, for things to be properly done, you need an education and training. I feel extremely lucky to work at a company that pays for some of my education, certification and even provides health insurance \(a rarity in the US for a landscaping company). I have a bachelor's degree and am going to start working on my master's degree this year. There's no reason anyone with that much education in any field should be barely scraping by financially. It's a disgrace.

  • 02-11-2010 2:45 PM
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    RE: Eden Project's Tim Smit slams National Trust and RHS gardeners' low wages

    Working within the industry I agree with Tim Smit's comment and would even broaden this to the whole industry. As an industry we devalue the skills and expertise of our staff and by association our industry too freely by not seeking to reward them for this knowledge. If horticulture is too ever raise it's status it must reward staff with pay to reflect their skills. Likewise the when pricing a garden scheme the general public need to realise that in order to have skilled staff working on their projects they need to cover the within the project costs. We need to breakaway from the past and show horticulture as a dynamic industry that rewards individuals for the skills. Mark Pumphrey, Broadview Garden Design

  • 02-16-2010 9:21 AM
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    Re: Eden Project's Tim Smit slams National Trust and RHS gardeners' low wages

    It's about time that serious debate took place regarding the subject of low wages within the horticultural industry so great to see this topic raised. It would be even better to see less talk and more action, with some sort of regulation put in place to raise wages and encourage highly skilled horticulturalists to join and remain within the industry.  I made a career change about five years ago from Management Consultancy into Horticulture.  I don't regret a single minute of it and I knew what I was letting myself in for but financially it has been almost impossible at times to keep my head above water, and I have found myself moving away from the practical side of gardening into office-based positions.  Lets keep the pressure on the industry and hopefully changes will start to be made!

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